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image vs story
Friday, February 29th, 2008 :: by jonvon
duffbert reviewed count zero, a william gibson book, and, well, i just had to read it, being a gibson fan myself.

i love gibson's stuff. unlike duffy, i've never had trouble following his story lines. but his comment: "the story-lines don't match up with the quality of the imagery", that is interesting. it is something i've worried about as i've been writing my own novel. i'm a poet at heart, but what i want to do is weave stories together.

truly great poetry is often steeped in image. i'm thinking of pablo neruda as i type this. there is a way in which a poet can write that surfaces images up from a part of the mind (which is probably located in the right hemisphere of the brain), and those images can communicate subtle truths that flower in infinite variety.

this is way to talk about metaphor, but for me there is a very real substance underneath that term.

if a poet can learn to see images and then write them out with strong fidelity, without interfering with them too much, the result can be astounding. a possibility exists in which the images can project truth straight out of the form of the image, dependent on the context the image surfaces within.

so what you end up with is an image that is quite literally a truth projector. or you could say that truth is projected through the image. that same truth could be projected through other images as well, and the contradictory poles of every truth could be projected through images that seem to be in opposition to one another.

people who think strongly in this way are not necessarily people who are thinking sequentially. an image is a pool you sort of float around in. it is not something that moves through time. time stops inside the image. there is no time inside these kinds of images, the kind that project truth. i want to say, time and space unfolds through image, even though it seems that images are a function of space and time. it's a particular way of thinking and conceiving.

story telling is more about time. people doing things to and with each other in a linear progression. the king's brother kills the king's children and serves them to the king at dinner. or whatever. those are events that happen in time, one after another. those events can, of themselves, be very powerful. i mean, that sentence i just wrote, that comes i think out of some old Greek play, that is a powerful sentence isn't it? your mind probably filled the images in for you, right? but that sentence is not image centric per se. people who think in images, who write in image heavy chunks, are not always great at making the bare bones of the plot shine through.

in gibson's case, according to duffy, the images are so dense that it is hard to see what is going on. man, i find that fascinating.

i think this style is appropriate to what gibson does, because he is talking about a near future (let's face it, it is already upon us), in which information is very dense. it is hard to see what is going on in the world around us because so much is going on, and we have access to all sorts of event driven data. gibson seems to be about the task of presenting characters who are learning to surf that stream of data and survive, and if they can, even find meaning. it is very much like he is writing about atavistic hunters who are faced with a bewildering jungle. there are so many sounds, so many things to see. how do you find your prey, how do you get home safely? how do you survive the encounter with that thing you are hunting? how do you survive brushes with other predators? now take that old struggle, which is almost unknown to us in the modern world, and immerse a normal, modern person into a jungle of data, where everything is morphing all the time, even things that are not supposed to morph, and watch what happens. that is gibson, at least to me. though it's been a while since i read him.

[as an aside: it strikes me that duffbert is himself a william gibson character. my god, how many books has this man read? how much information has his single mind parsed? i understand that he lives next to a library. i think he's become a library by now.]

this constant morphing of images can be seen in Ovid's Metamorphoses. i sent a chapter of the novel i'm working on to a man i'm proud to call a friend of mine, a guy named Eric Larsen. i'd never read Ovid, but after he read the chapter i sent him, he recommended i read Metamorphoses. so i did. or i should say, i am, i'm about in the middle of it now. every story ends with someone turning into a bird, or into a snake. every encounter a mortal has with a god ends with the mortal transforming into something, usually an animal. there are some things like that going on in my own writing, not exactly like that, but the basic thought process is there. it is a process that is image centric for sure.

so i've been struggling with how to put the story together in a way that is compelling from the standpoint of a story teller. i've got to keep my eye on the ball of that linear progression, at least within any particular chapter i'm writing. it is too easy for me to bask in that pool of images and forget to tell a story.

i'll be curious to see if people end up reacting to my stuff the way they react to gibson's. will they get lost in the images? i don't know. i feel a little like that character in Lady in the Water who only works out one side of his body all the time. as it happens, i've been doing this programming thing the past ten years or so, and i've given the left side of my brain quite a workout. it's as though i had no structure to start with, and forcing myself to think logically all these years has had an impact on me. so i'm hopeful that i will be able to include enough logical, linear structure in what i am doing that what i write will make sense, and be compelling for readers. but the place i'm most at home at is the world of image.
discussion thread
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2/29/2008 6:04:17 PM
Duffbert email website
image vs story

OK... you probably got more out of my review than I did. :-)

What I think it comes down to is this... my mind doesn't work like yours does. When you talk about "morphing of images" and "truth projectors", I'm thinking "who was doing what", "how did it turn out", and "did I enjoy reading that?". If I were to sit and ponder the novel, I'd still be lost in terms of what that final scene meant with the woman and the robot putting together the boxes and such. You could spell it out for me, and I'd (hopefully) say "ok, I see where you're going". But if you'd expect me to get there on my own, it'd probably never happen.

This is probably the same thing that happens at work when I'm discussing a project. Some people want to analyze, debate, scrutinize, ponder, etc. My reaction is normally... I'll put together a quick prototype and then we can use that as the basis for discussion, OK? On the continuum of action vs. contemplation, I'm WAY down on the left side. :)

So if you're using my analysis as a deeply-considered response to Gibson's writing, that's probably not a good thing. :) In a world where a number of my colleagues are niched and nuanced, I'm pretty much mass-market. :)

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2/29/2008 8:11:03 PM
jonvon
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duff, your post hit a touchstone for me, well a couple of them i guess. first i'm a huge gibson fan. but... i am aware that a lot of people aren't crazy about his writing. you aren't the first person i've heard of who had trouble with his stuff. your analysis was the first one that clued me in to the reasons why people don't get his style. maybe it wasn't a "deeply-considered response" to your way of thinking, but i thought it was brilliant.

the whole image vs story thing is something i've been thinking about a lot since i began to write my own novel. can you tell? i want to figure out how to mesh both together. it's an ongoing experiment for me. i really have no idea what i'm doing!

the funny thing is, i always related pretty strongly with gibson's artistic style. it never occurred to me that anyone wouldn't be swept away by his work. it resonates for me. so your analysis really underlined this whole thing for me, and caused me to think about my own approach. makes me want to reread his stuff actually.

i can't really write any other way than the way i write, but i think i can make adjustments as i go along. i suppose i'm trying to walk in two worlds in what i am doing. only time will tell if i'll succeed...

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3/1/2008 5:35:46 AM
Wild Bill email website
image vs story

The scary thing about this is that I read this novel whilst at university - say 1985 (god I hope it was published then!). A few years before Arpanet/PSS/Janet opened up to non-academics and long before Tim Berners-Lee developed 'http'. Back then it was all telnet/ftp, and on a good day gopher.

And yet Gibson's view of a pervasive, immersive internet is still relevant today - indeed more so - some 20+ years on.

Is he good, or what?

---* Bill

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3/1/2008 8:12:38 AM
Dave
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What? People aren't all crazy about Gibson?? Hmph. I like him.

Or, I used to. I've turned a corner where I find him too superficial. He has made the data, and the pop culture driven by the data into the most important part of reality. I used to think it was awesome. But now? I'm more along the lines of... "Go outside, climb a mountain and sit under a tree. Now THAT is reality."

Nevertheless, as long as he isn't taken too seriously, Gibson is alright.

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3/1/2008 5:23:11 PM
Steve McDonagh email website
image vs story

@Jon ... i totally agree :) words when used in the same way as a painter applies tonal difference to a picture are much more powerful than use of a merely pedantic metaphor.

~thinks~ the other "metamorphosis", the on Kafka wrote this can be seen dramatically. The famous opening line in english is "As Gregor Samsa awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into a monstrous vermin."

But in german this is

"Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheueren Ungeziefer verwandelt."

The "punch" of the sentence in German is delivered in the "verwandelt" (transformed) verb right at the end of the sentence.. the reader is pulled along the sentence until POW the change is thrust into their mind. Sadly this impact is somewhat lost in the English translation. (David Wyllie's translation comes closest if you are intrested.)

This sort of literary ploy is very common in the oral traditions of many cultures, Ireland and the Irish with their predeliction for a good tale are no exceptions.

If you come over for ILUG we must have a sit down and a wee chinwag about the seanchaí., the irish oral storytellers. I may be able to bring one (a friend) along in the evening, he lives in Temple Bar not far from the venue.

On Gibson himself.. I think perhaps we have to disagree ... I find his prose a little tedious, a cyberpunk Joyce with some of the invention but without any of the pizazz. I hope you have had a "go" with Joyce, if not I heartily recommend it :D ditto Neil Gaiman.

Slaun

Steve

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3/1/2008 5:26:29 PM
Steve McDonagh email website
image vs story

PS ... and if you want a "real" IMHO very very very early proto-cyberpunk dystopia you really can't go far wrong with "We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin

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3/2/2008 11:25:31 AM
Nathan T. Freeman email website
image vs story

@6 - Ah yes... the book from which many people think Ayn Rand stole the idea for Anthem.

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3/2/2008 11:51:29 AM
Steve McDonagh email website
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@7 Hi Nathan :)

Ditto Huxley and brave new world, although he denied having read the book before writing BNW. and Orwell with 1984 who gave a nod in the general direction of having read and enjoyed it (and more recently the movie GATTACA) all share common dystiopian themes but share little literary style. Anthem shares more with Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 than it does with "We"

Yevgeny Zamyatin and HG Wells to a certain extent both were early explorers of the "society gone bad" genre and as such I suppose they will always be looked to as inspiration for novels and tales that share that theme.

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